First cuts

[Jpan85]

Butcher would be on the FG block team I would assume.

[bearpants]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

Lol @ cfl for making it seem like this is a big deal releasing Kackert. He's been injured off and on for years and had been retired at least once already! 

When I saw his picture and a breaking news aspect, I assumed it would be that he was announcing his retirement... for good, this time...

[Jaxon]

23 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

Butcher would be on the FG block team I would assume.

Not so sure.   I assume you are referring to FG return team (where we are attempting to block the other teams FB attempt)  

 Dieke is 6'6" as is Hubbard.   Richardson is 6'4", Corney and Waterman are  6'3".  Butcher is 6'5" but  all of the DE types have a more athletic frame than Butcher, and without seeing testing results, I'm going to speculate that they all would have better vertical numbers, and thus have a better chance to get a hand up on the ball.   Generally speaking, O-line and interior d-line don't get much specialty team duties.   DE's and LB's are the workhorses for those units, both for kicking (covering) and returning.

[Floyd]

I would think Butcher gets PR'd... although I'd keep him on there over Richardson right now

Wouldn't discount him as an OL though...  Really wonder what double TEs with Butcher and Couture would look like...

[Mr Dee]

Put me on the side that has the Bombers finding room for a guy like Elsworth. That guy has game and CFL experience. The only problem is we already have a nice 'problem' at the LB position. But he'd be worth it.

[Fatty Liver]

2 minutes ago, Mr Dee said:

Put me on the side that has the Bombers finding room for a guy like Elsworth. That guy has game and CFL experience. The only problem is we already have a nice 'problem' at the LB position. But he'd be worth it.

Is he the LB that was filling in for Woods last year?

[kelownabomberfan]

 

[M.O.A.B.]

1 hour ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Is he the LB that was filling in for Woods last year?

Yes.

[JuranBoldenRules]

I'm not seeing what you guys are with Butcher.  He looks like a major project to me.  Obviously he's got some things that can't be taught being his size and relatively athletic, but he gets almost no penetration through his gap and gets moved around because he comes straight up out of his stance.  He's not playing against CFL quality OL when he's in for the most part either.

I don't think he has much of a role to play this season.  He needs time.  TBH, I'd flip him to OL because he's a lot closer to being ready there in terms of his first few steps out of his stance.  Against this level of competiton it looks like he's going to be more of a hold ground guy than a gain ground guy, and that's what OL is. 

[Bigblue204]

he's going to play the role of DB. Plug up the middle to open the ends for the pass rush. You're right that he's not ready for live action just yet. But in one or two years I can see him being a key piece to the Dline. Even in the Preseason, his first real pro starts he was getting double teamed. Once he gets the nuances of the pro game down, I can see him being a real force in the middle. Hopefully it pans out. 

[mbrg]

20 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

he's going to play the role of DB.

He might do alright in zone coverage but he's going to struggle in man-to-man.

 

 

 

(I know what you mean)

[mbrg]

I suspect Butcher is practise roster bound.  All the technique work he has to do to be CFL ready isn't going to happen in a week or a month.  Combine that with him having limited to zero use on special teams, those active roster spots will go to 22 other NIs.

[kelownabomberfan]

The Bombers should be bringing in Doug Brown to personally coach Butcher on how to get through gaps etc.  He's the same size as Brown, now he just needs the coaching.

[wbbfan]

i just thought about it but sergio wasnt cut in this round. Kinda makes me think they are trying to hold him a bit for trade value.

[Blueballz]

Not sure Castillo has much trade value at this point but it would be a shame to just let him walk for nothing.

Butcher, what do we do with this kid, hate to lose him.

I like that there are going to be some tough cuts coming up. What I'd do to be a fly on the wall when they discuss cuts and why.

[sweep the leg]

5 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

The Bombers should be bringing in Doug Brown to personally coach Butcher on how to get through gaps etc.  He's the same size as Brown, now he just needs the coaching.

Is that not something his current position coach can teach him?

[Fatty Liver]

2 hours ago, Blueballz said:

Not sure Castillo has much trade value at this point but it would be a shame to just let him walk for nothing.

Butcher, what do we do with this kid, hate to lose him.

I like that there are going to be some tough cuts coming up. What I'd do to be a fly on the wall when they discuss cuts and why.

No chance they are going to lose Butcher, still lots of obvious decisions they have to make for the next cut down.  Keep the best imports at each specific position and hang onto the Natls. with the best long-term potential.  Simple. :-)

Doesn't look like they will cut any of last years starters that survived the off-season purge unless Jace Daniels is displaced, most of the cuts will be new TC invitees vying for open positions.  A few non-starting Natls. such as Louie Richardson, JFG, Morgan, Jones, Briggs,  Normand, Bastien or Cronk could be displaced by Natls. with more upside if the numbers call for it but many of them are valuable on ST.  They have to give Corney, Butcher, Loffler, Rush, Couture and even Richards a chance to develop further, not sure what they will do with Intzandt, Renaud or Vitt.  They may decide to trade Bucknor or Hurl but they won't cut them outright. 

[Noeller]

You don't outright cut a guy you just drafted....Christ. He'll be PRed, because I assume his college time is done...?

[Noeller]

http://3downnation.com/2016/06/16/bombers/

 

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announced the release of six international players Wednesday morning: wide receiver Kevin Cone; offensive lineman Aundrey Walker; defensive linemen Andrew Robinson and Nate Collins; and defensive backs Johnny Patrick and Donald Celiscar.

 

Cone and Collins each spent parts of the 2015 season with the blue and gold, while the remaining four players were CFL rookies. Patrick, an NFL veteran of 37 contests, missed both pre-season games due to injury.

 

With receiver Addison Richards (hand), centre Jeff Keeping (knee), and linebacker Kyle Knox (lower body) on the six-game injured list, the Bombers now have 65 players on their roster not including their eight 2016 draft picks and two non-counters (rookie linebacker John Rush and 2013 seventh rounder Billy Pavlopoulos). The club has until late Sunday night to declare its final roster of 46 players plus a ten-man practice squad.

The first decision the Bombers have to make before then is at the third-string quarterback position.

 

Dominique Davis and Bryan Bennett impressed throughout the preseason and, considering the number of CFL quarterback injuries that took place a year ago, keeping both would be optimal. Either Davis or Bennett would have to be willing to join the practice roster to make this possible, something that’s not always a guarantee given the meager earnings of CFL practice roster players.

 

The Bombers will then have to pare down their talent extensively across the board.

 

At receiver, Quincy McDuffie has the best chance of all international pass catchers (not including veterans Darvin Adams, Weston Dressler or Ryan Smith) at earning a roster spot due to his stellar work in the return game. Rookies Jace Davis, Thomas Mayo, Gerrard Sheppard, and Fred Williams have all shown flashes throughout training camp, but none have done enough to break away from the pack. Expect the Bombers to carry no more than five international receivers on their 46-man roster, with another one or two joining the practice squad. The club is also unlikely to carry more than three Canadian receivers this season, calling into question the futures of third-year man Kris Bastien and rookie Alex Vitt.

 

Carlos Anderson and Timothy Flanders may also find themselves out of luck on Sunday as, with a Canadian starter at tailback, the Bombers will likely be unable to dress an American ball carrier in 2016. Expect one of the two American running backs to earn a spot on the practice roster.

 

The starting Blue Bomber offensive line is expected to feature five returnees (L-R: Stanley Bryant, Jace Daniels, Matthias Goossen, Sukh Chungh, Patrick Neufeld), with 2016 second round selection Michael Couture serving as the sixth offensive lineman until Jeff Keeping returns from the six-game injured list. With fifth rounder Zachary Intzandt expected to return to school, the remaining three hogs — all internationals — will be fighting for a maximum of one spot on the 46-man roster and (likely) one spot on the practice roster. Jermarcus Hardrick brings CFL experience, while Travis Bond boasts the best size of the bunch to go along with a set of feet.

 

On the defensive side of the ball, the Bombers will have a number of tough decisions to make regarding its glut of national talent. No CFL team can keep six national defensive linemen, seven national linebackers, and four national defensive backs on their 46-man roster — as much as Mike O’Shea might like to.

Veteran Louie Richardson could be the odd man out at defensive end with Trent Corney coming aboard, while 2016 sixth round pick Rupert Butcher will likely begin his career on the practice roster. On the American side of the defensive line, look for Adrian Hubbard to begin the season at the starting left defensive end spot, with Emmanuel Dieke possibly landing on the practice roster due to his ability to play both tackle and end.

 

At linebacker, all four healthy Americans should make the squad, though a player may get bounced when Kyle Knox returns from the six-game injured list. As for the Canadians, Frank Renaud will likely return to Windsor to finish his CIS eligibility this season, while 2016 third rounder Shayne Gauthier — who missed the entire pre-season due to injury — is a prime candidate for the practice roster. By my count, the club will have a tough time keeping more than three Canadian linebackers on the 46-man roster.

 

Keeping all four national defensive backs on the 46-man roster could also prove difficult for a Bomber team that is expected to start five Americans in the secondary. Julian Posey and Kevin Fogg will likely stick around given the number of pre-season reps they received at boundary halfback, while 2016 third round pick Taylor Loffler could start the season on the practice roster.

 

Finally, the team’s specialists are a set in stone for this season with Justin Medlock handling all three kicking duties and Chad Rempel long snapping. Given that Medlock’s punting skills are somewhat inconsistent, I’d like to see Billy Pavlopoulos end up on the club’s practice roster if room can be found.

 

Edited June 16, 2016 by Noeller

[bearpants]

53 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Emmanuel Dieke possibly landing on the practice roster due to his ability to play both tackle and end.

 

Can anyone verify the pronunciation of Dieke... here are the options I've considered... Deek, Dyke, DI-key, Dee-EK, DI-ek, DI-eek

[Fatty Liver]

5 minutes ago, bearpants said:

Can anyone verify the pronunciation of Dieke... here are the options I've considered... Deek, Dyke, DI-key, Dee-EK, DI-ek, DI-eek

3 syllables. Die-eh-kay

[IC Khari]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

http://3downnation.com/2016/06/16/bombers/

 

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announced the release of six international players Wednesday morning: wide receiver Kevin Cone; offensive lineman Aundrey Walker; defensive linemen Andrew Robinson and Nate Collins; and defensive backs Johnny Patrick and Donald Celiscar.

 

Cone and Collins each spent parts of the 2015 season with the blue and gold, while the remaining four players were CFL rookies. Patrick, an NFL veteran of 37 contests, missed both pre-season games due to injury.

 

With receiver Addison Richards (hand), centre Jeff Keeping (knee), and linebacker Kyle Knox (lower body) on the six-game injured list, the Bombers now have 65 players on their roster not including their eight 2016 draft picks and two non-counters (rookie linebacker John Rush and 2013 seventh rounder Billy Pavlopoulos). The club has until late Sunday night to declare its final roster of 46 players plus a ten-man practice squad.

The first decision the Bombers have to make before then is at the third-string quarterback position.

 

Dominique Davis and Bryan Bennett impressed throughout the preseason and, considering the number of CFL quarterback injuries that took place a year ago, keeping both would be optimal. Either Davis or Bennett would have to be willing to join the practice roster to make this possible, something that’s not always a guarantee given the meager earnings of CFL practice roster players.

 

The Bombers will then have to pare down their talent extensively across the board.

 

At receiver, Quincy McDuffie has the best chance of all international pass catchers (not including veterans Darvin Adams, Weston Dressler or Ryan Smith) at earning a roster spot due to his stellar work in the return game. Rookies Jace Davis, Thomas Mayo, Gerrard Sheppard, and Fred Williams have all shown flashes throughout training camp, but none have done enough to break away from the pack. Expect the Bombers to carry no more than five international receivers on their 46-man roster, with another one or two joining the practice squad. The club is also unlikely to carry more than three Canadian receivers this season, calling into question the futures of third-year man Kris Bastien and rookie Alex Vitt.

 

Carlos Anderson and Timothy Flanders may also find themselves out of luck on Sunday as, with a Canadian starter at tailback, the Bombers will likely be unable to dress an American ball carrier in 2016. Expect one of the two American running backs to earn a spot on the practice roster.

 

The starting Blue Bomber offensive line is expected to feature five returnees (L-R: Stanley Bryant, Jace Daniels, Matthias Goossen, Sukh Chungh, Patrick Neufeld), with 2016 second round selection Michael Couture serving as the sixth offensive lineman until Jeff Keeping returns from the six-game injured list. With fifth rounder Zachary Intzandt expected to return to school, the remaining three hogs — all internationals — will be fighting for a maximum of one spot on the 46-man roster and (likely) one spot on the practice roster. Jermarcus Hardrick brings CFL experience, while Travis Bond boasts the best size of the bunch to go along with a set of feet.

 

On the defensive side of the ball, the Bombers will have a number of tough decisions to make regarding its glut of national talent. No CFL team can keep six national defensive linemen, seven national linebackers, and four national defensive backs on their 46-man roster — as much as Mike O’Shea might like to.

Veteran Louie Richardson could be the odd man out at defensive end with Trent Corney coming aboard, while 2016 sixth round pick Rupert Butcher will likely begin his career on the practice roster. On the American side of the defensive line, look for Adrian Hubbard to begin the season at the starting left defensive end spot, with Emmanuel Dieke possibly landing on the practice roster due to his ability to play both tackle and end.

 

At linebacker, all four healthy Americans should make the squad, though a player may get bounced when Kyle Knox returns from the six-game injured list. As for the Canadians, Frank Renaud will likely return to Windsor to finish his CIS eligibility this season, while 2016 third rounder Shayne Gauthier — who missed the entire pre-season due to injury — is a prime candidate for the practice roster. By my count, the club will have a tough time keeping more than three Canadian linebackers on the 46-man roster.

 

Keeping all four national defensive backs on the 46-man roster could also prove difficult for a Bomber team that is expected to start five Americans in the secondary. Julian Posey and Kevin Fogg will likely stick around given the number of pre-season reps they received at boundary halfback, while 2016 third round pick Taylor Loffler could start the season on the practice roster.

 

Finally, the team’s specialists are a set in stone for this season with Justin Medlock handling all three kicking duties and Chad Rempel long snapping. Given that Medlock’s punting skills are somewhat inconsistent, I’d like to see Billy Pavlopoulos end up on the club’s practice roster if room can be found.

 

Flanders needs to be kept around until they can fit him into their roster config, they guy looks solid (albeit against 2nd and 3rd stringers ).

[kelownabomberfan]

Flanddddderrrrrrsssss!!!

[Brandon]

I wonder what American receivers will make the cut....  they all seemed to have shown well during pre season.  

 

[blitzmore]