Wylie post practice

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

he was talking about it in the 1290 pregame before the last game. It was the start of the season but pretty much. switched over due to injury.

...and was grateful that he did, he said his career would have only lasted a couple of years had he stuck to playing D-line.

[wbbfan]

23 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

...and was grateful that he did, he said his career would have only lasted a couple of years had he stuck to playing D-line.

Yep. Its amazing how close a couple bomber legends have been to slipping through the cracks. bob cameron, walby, khari stuck on the bench behind allen in bc. 

[Fan Boy]

11 hours ago, iso_55 said:

I wish coaches wouldn't have such big chips on their shoulders when talking to the media. Wylie knows most of the media have no idea what the nuances of the game are unless they've been around football for 40 years like Bob Irving or former players. Acting pissed at a reporter for asking what they think is a "dumb question" is really disrespecting most fans as they probably don't know any more than the reporter either. All they know is Drew Willy gets sacked, injured, +the OL sucks, the team loses & want to know why. So, just answer the question with class explaining why.

Maybe this is the reason MOS wanted to field all the media so that his coaches didn't get all worked up over this stuff. 

[Fan Boy]

37 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yep. Its amazing how close a couple bomber legends have been to slipping through the cracks. bob cameron, walby, khari stuck on the bench behind allen in bc. 

Football in general is so full of near misses with career ending injuries or careers derailed by coaches misusing players or players not taking advantage of situations when they happen. Just another reason why football is so compelling to watch. 

[bearpants]

I gotta wonder if Butcher has any interest in switching sides... he must know the chances of career longevity and big pay days are much higher as an O-lineman... unless you're one of the few exceptions like Doug Brown or Ted Laurent...

[iso_55]

6 hours ago, WBBFanWest said:

Or, we could actually expect our media people to be a little more knowledgeable about the stuff they're reporting on than the average fan.

Why would that have to be a prerequisite? Not everyone is the expert that you'd like them to be.  My point is stay classy & answer the question.

[iso_55]

3 hours ago, Fan Boy said:

Maybe this is the reason MOS wanted to field all the media so that his coaches didn't get all worked up over this stuff. 

Maybe but it still shouldn't be that way.

[WBBFanWest]

2 minutes ago, iso_55 said:

Why would that have to be a prerequisite? Not everyone is the expert that you'd like them to be.  My point is stay classy & answer the question.

Because if you're going to be a professional sports writer, it might really be helpful to know a little something about the sport you're going to cover.  That way, you'll actually be able to ask questions that will, hopefully, generate insightful answers.   If I want to see what the average fan thinks, I can tune into the Coach's show on OB and be amazed at the sheer ignorance of people.  I expect a little more from people that expect me to pay for their musings.   

[iso_55]

Sports media cover all sports not just football so they can't be an expert on everything so I cut them some slack there. Was it a great question? No. Was it a question meant to embarrass Wylie or asked with malice? No. Was it worth it for Wylie to go off on? No. I just think it was incumbent on Wylie to calm down & just answer the question explaining why the OL wasn't involved in all the sacks. Wylie is a professional OL coach as well & this wasn't his first scrum with the media. Anyway, this is my last comment on the subject.

Edited June 17, 2016 by iso_55

[Mike]

49 minutes ago, iso_55 said:

Why would that have to be a prerequisite? Not everyone is the expert that you'd like them to be.  My point is stay classy & answer the question.

I assume you're very knowledgeable about your job.

It would be nice if all of our media were also. Seems like it SHOULD be a prerequisite.

[JuranBoldenRules]

It's a reasonable question.  As reasonable as asking the OC about the number of TD's or points scored or asking the QB coach about the number of TD passes thrown.  There are a lot of variables involved with all stats in pretty much every sport.

But like someone already said, this is exactly why having press availablity for assistants is dumb.  The media and the coaches can't handle it well enough to have anything meaningful come of it.  It'll just end up being a backbiting session, trying to play offense vs defense, position groups against each other in the blame game.

 

 

[Floyd]

Regardless, it was a very entertaining interview...

[WBBFanWest]

11 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

It's a reasonable question.  As reasonable as asking the OC about the number of TD's or points scored or asking the QB coach about the number of TD passes thrown.  There are a lot of variables involved with all stats in pretty much every sport.

But like someone already said, this is exactly why having press availablity for assistants is dumb.  The media and the coaches can't handle it well enough to have anything meaningful come of it.  It'll just end up being a backbiting session, trying to play offense vs defense, position groups against each other in the blame game.

 

 

No it's not a reasonable question for the simple reason that the reporter asked the o-line coach.  The implication is: These sacks are your responsibility, so what are you going to do about it?  It displays sheer ignorance and nothing more.  Asking the OC or the HC the same question would acknowledge  that this might not be an "o-line only" problem, but when Willey is forced to answer that question he has to walk a fine line between defending his guys and throwing others under a bus, and that's not fair to him.  He's paid to teach o-linemen not educate "sports writers" on the basic fundamentals of a team sport.   

That's why it was not only an unreasonable question, it was a very dumb question.  

 

[JuranBoldenRules]

37 minutes ago, WBBFanWest said:

No it's not a reasonable question for the simple reason that the reporter asked the o-line coach.  The implication is: These sacks are your responsibility, so what are you going to do about it?  It displays sheer ignorance and nothing more.  Asking the OC or the HC the same question would acknowledge  that this might not be an "o-line only" problem, but when Willey is forced to answer that question he has to walk a fine line between defending his guys and throwing others under a bus, and that's not fair to him.  He's paid to teach o-linemen not educate "sports writers" on the basic fundamentals of a team sport.   

That's why it was not only an unreasonable question, it was a very dumb question.  

 

Be ready to attack when Willy gets asked about not scoring enough points.  Same damn thing man.  

Wylie took the question as an affront.  He simply could have talked about what they have done to improve, adding new guys and having more time together, whatever.  He chose his response, and it's a little embarrassing tbh.  We all know the media is stupid and not looking for in-depth information.  Don't think it looks good on anyone to react like that to a pretty basic question.

[iso_55]

2 hours ago, Mike said:

I assume you're very knowledgeable about your job.

It would be nice if all of our media were also. Seems like it SHOULD be a prerequisite.

Should be but it's not. There aren't a lot of full time football specialists covering CFL teams. Not like you'd see in the NFL. Or hockey experts/analysts that cover the NHL. The league is just too small to be able to make a decent living covering teams all year round. We have no CFL Network so you get guys with a lack of knowledge asking questions & making comments similar to callers on the Coaches Show. It is what it is.

Edited June 17, 2016 by iso_55

[Floyd]

Should have just followed up with:  'So what you're saying is that Willy holds onto the ball too long.'

And then quickly stepped back...

[WBBFanWest]

50 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Be ready to attack when Willy gets asked about not scoring enough points.  Same damn thing man.  

Wylie took the question as an affront.  He simply could have talked about what they have done to improve, adding new guys and having more time together, whatever.  He chose his response, and it's a little embarrassing tbh.  We all know the media is stupid and not looking for in-depth information.  Don't think it looks good on anyone to react like that to a pretty basic question.

If Willy was asked "What aren't you scoring more points?" he'd have every right to be mad.  Fortunately, most people are smart enough not to ask such a dumb question because they realize that the QB is not solely responsible for doing that.  If he's asked "What did the team not score more points?" that's fair ball.

Willey was asked the question in such a way that it was clear that the sack, all of them, were on the o-line.  Coming from a fan that would be just be yet another dumb question.  Coming from a sports reporter, it demonstrates a total lack of understanding of how a TEAM sport works, from a guy who's then going to go away and write about something that he clearly knows nothing about.  If he had just turned to one of the Bombers staff and said, "Get this pinhead out of here." I would have applauded because any professional reporter displaying that level of ignorance deserves nothing better.  

[Fatty Liver]

Would love to hear Wylie on the Coach's Show dealing with the call in crowd.  They bite back.

[iso_55]

Wow, WBB... talk about making a whole lot of nothing into something. It's Canadian journalism. Most of these poor saps in the media don't know if they'll have a job tomorrow. We've lost some great reporters over the last decade who did know the game only to be replaced by 23 year old kids who don't. Get used to it because the landscape of sports reporting isn't going to change anytime soon.

[WBBFanWest]

Actually, I don't have to get used to it because I rarely read their tripe anymore.  This guy is just one more example of why that is.  And if this is the level of knowledge and research that these "poor saps" believe to be acceptable, all the more reason that they should be worried for their jobs.

And by the way, as far as I know, we're allowed to discuss things here, are we not?

[iso_55]

4 minutes ago, WBBFanWest said:

Actually, I don't have to get used to it because I rarely read their tripe anymore.  This guy is just one more example of why that is.  And if this is the level of knowledge and research that these "poor saps" believe to be acceptable, all the more reason that they should be worried for their jobs.

And by the way, as far as I know, we're allowed to discuss things here, are we not?

Did I say you couldn't? I just said get used to it. The talent & knowledge level of reporters is nowhere near it was years ago.

[LeBird]

In the end the media were kind enough to Coach Wylie to not air the that portion of the interview. It's unfortunate he did not use that time to just educate the news reporter and fans who like the reporter did not know the answer. I'm assuming these interviews are held for the benefit of the fans. He has knowledge of the call and of later watching the film with a trained eye.  Watching a play on TV I see a DE come clear past the tackle into Willy's face. I don't know Cotton was supposed to move over and take him on. Coach Wylie would know that.  As far as I can see the tackle screwed up.  

It might be a good idea if management allows assistant coaches to be interviewed it helps them with some training to get past some instances where the questions might appear to be a personal attack.  Some might say:"Good for Wylie for putting this joker in his place". But really, what was accomplished there? We saw a professional who is good at his job loose his composure and I fail to see how that is good for the Bombers.  

From someone who can use all of the coaches' explanations and your's too for that matter.

[Fan Boy]

1 hour ago, LeBird said:

In the end the media were kind enough to Coach Wylie to not air the that portion of the interview. It's unfortunate he did not use that time to just educate the news reporter and fans who like the reporter did not know the answer. I'm assuming these interviews are held for the benefit of the fans. He has knowledge of the call and of later watching the film with a trained eye.  Watching a play on TV I see a DE come clear past the tackle into Willy's face. I don't know Cotton was supposed to move over and take him on. Coach Wylie would know that.  As far as I can see the tackle screwed up.  

It might be a good idea if management allows assistant coaches to be interviewed it helps them with some training to get past some instances where the questions might appear to be a personal attack.  Some might say:"Good for Wylie for putting this joker in his place". But really, what was accomplished there? We saw a professional who is good at his job loose his composure and I fail to see how that is good for the Bombers.  

From someone who can use all of the coaches' explanations and your's too for that matter.

The question is do you hire someone to communicate to professional football players or to communicate with fans, some with more football knowledge than others . 

[LeBird]

49 minutes ago, Fan Boy said:

The question is do you hire someone to communicate to professional football players or to communicate with fans, some with more football knowledge than others . 

The two should not be mutually exclusive.  As to communicating with fans I would guess most would have appreciated an answer. There might be 200 fans on this site who are definitely more knowledgeable than others. These make up less than 1% of the Bombers fan base.  And yes, per a CFL mandate,  an assistant coach will be made available to the media once a week. It's now part of their job. 

[BomberDynasty]

Not a fan of Wylie.

His attitude is a big part of the problem. He needs to go along with all the crappy O-Line players he has supported and helped bring to the team in the last 3 years. The fact that he remains and has done next to nothing to improve an O-Line that got 3 quarterbacks seriously injured in less than a half season of football epitomizes all that is wrong with the Bomber organization.

Not buying the BS that the majority of the sacks are the fault of the running backs blocking. Let's turn that around. It's his fault and his line's fault if the RB's are consistently put in a position where they can't be successful either in terms of running or blocking. Ultimately Bombers have shown themselves to be disgustingly bad in terms or protection and the run game for many years. Excuses are not what is needed.

If this team gave half of a rat's back end about the quality of product that shouldn't happen.